The Jest of It - God, Jesus, & The Holy Spirit

 

 

  For some time I wandered just how this works. When I was young I was taught these were three different Entities that work together, or as old people use to say, are One in their Goal. These days though it seems they are presented as the same, just different purposes or duties. I'm open to someone who can convince me of this, but it must be scripturally and after they have read this whole thing, using the closet translation we have to the original writings, the KJV. So lets start there.  Take my word for nothing, research it yourself.

 

  I have had pretty much the same answers from different "leading" people on this and so I scoured the web at forums looking at answers they gave other people. Pretty much the same. That God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (or Ghost) were one and the same. Some even called it the Trinity, so first lets address that. The word Trinity appears NOWHERE in the Bible, not once. This is a Kabbalah belief, not Christian. Not all Jews are Kabbalah.

 

  The next thing to mention is that almost always they say it is complicated. That we cannot understand God. While I agree that we cannot understand the ways of God, through Jesus, He tells us just a little different that what we are hearing today. Often time switching versions of the Bible to make their point. Hint: There is a difference in what they say. Trivia note here: The NIV is written on a 6th grade level while changing much.

Matthew 18:2-4

 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

 3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

 14But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

 

     If in all of our years of learning we can't figure this out, then surely as a child has a simple mind and understanding, it must be pretty simple. Keep that in mind. Just for the record, children are so important that children are mentioned 1515 times in the Bible. Kids apparently have some knowledge, simplistic and humbled.

 

  Over the years the context of many saying changes and some are forgotten. Here in the south for instance, in what was once farms, people spoke with different sayings and often misunderstood by outsiders. Funny, it's still that way. We speak in many metaphors whereas some speak frankly and direct.

    

John 16:27-29

 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

 28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

 29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

 

  Now apparently Satan and his demons cannot understand parables or anything not direct. That is why Jesus often spoke in parables. Makes one wonder how today we are evolving to that point don't it.  From this passage we see that He was from The Father. In rural lands we know that this in no way says He is the Father. But let us back up a bit:

John 16:24-26

 24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

 25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

 26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

 

  The reason we pray not to Jesus but in Jesus's name.

 

John 10:14-16

 14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

 Jesus is simply saying that he knows His followers and the Father knows Him, He doesn't say He is Him. The 16th verse perhaps we all should pay close attention to as it states that His other followers said hear HIS voice. Now a lot of people would like to read that people hear their voice rather than that of Jesus.

 

John 13:2-4

 2And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

 3Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

 4He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.

 

  Now in this we see that again Jesus is not God the Father, but He is of Him and from Him. Special note there for those who believe the once saved always saved thing. If the Devil can take over the body and spirit of a Disciple, what makes us any different. If that be the case, Judas is in Heaven too. There is a book of Judas, why isn't it in there if that be the case?  

   John 14 is often cited as proof.

 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

 

  It looks convincing until one reads the WHOLE thing in CONTEXT.  So let us look closely at it. You've got time.

 

 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.  (Read Verse 20)

 8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

 15If ye love me, keep my commandments.   (NOTICE THIS, NOT JUST FAITH ALONE)

 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

 29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

 30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

 

  Now that should read a bit different than the sound bytes you've been fed.  From this we get three different Entities, all who have the same goal but different missions. Jesus is not only the Savior, He is also the Good Son. We are in Him and He is in the Father and the Comforter is in us.

Also notice that Judas is a Disciple in good standing at this point. The Devil hasn't taken him over yet. 

An important fact also comes to light once again, works and deeds play a vital part in being a Christian. One has to realize that even the devils and Satan have faith that God is God and that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. True faith will manifest itself by ones works.

So we can look at a few others.

 

 

Hang on, we're not done with this page just yet.